Comments on: The Poorest Nation on Earth http://www.3sigma.com/the-poorest-nation-on-earth/ Surfing the brink of chaos Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:47:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: marc http://www.3sigma.com/the-poorest-nation-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-616 marc Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:18:30 +0000 http://www.3sigma.com/?p=4161#comment-616 In one of the bleakest world views I have ever encountered you (Gertifity) surmise, "Rule out God, and I don't see why I would care or why you world care". Why does caring about others and for others require a belief in God? Isn't it enough to know that I experience in life, feelings of joy, pain, love, fear, etc, and that I believe that others experience those feelings as I do? The joy and love experienced by others increases my joy and love. The pain and fear of others increases my pain and fear. My belief or disbelief in God has nothing to do with my belief that others experience life as I do, and that my experience is connected to their experience. <blockquote>From this comes the "Golden Rule": <em>"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". </em> Though I prefer the rule as stated by Rabbi Hillel: <em>"Do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you."</em></blockquote> The gist is the same. If God does exist, then our empathy with others must be part of his or her design, so we should stop worrying about God, who doesn't need our help, and start worrying about each other. In one of the bleakest world views I have ever encountered you (Gertifity) surmise, “Rule out God, and I don’t see why I would care or why you world care”.

Why does caring about others and for others require a belief in God? Isn’t it enough to know that I experience in life, feelings of joy, pain, love, fear, etc, and that I believe that others experience those feelings as I do? The joy and love experienced by others increases my joy and love. The pain and fear of others increases my pain and fear.

My belief or disbelief in God has nothing to do with my belief that others experience life as I do, and that my experience is connected to their experience.

From this comes the “Golden Rule”:

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.

Though I prefer the rule as stated by Rabbi Hillel:

“Do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you.”

The gist is the same.

If God does exist, then our empathy with others must be part of his or her design, so we should stop worrying about God, who doesn’t need our help, and start worrying about each other.

]]> By: Gertifity http://www.3sigma.com/the-poorest-nation-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-615 Gertifity Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:37:47 +0000 http://www.3sigma.com/?p=4161#comment-615 Being human beings brings no particular gravity to our illness or injury from that of other living creatures. Cows, birds, dogs, fish and insects get injured and sick. Human life is of equal relevance to other life. Who cares about your kid except you? I certainly shouldn't. And why do you care about him? He has no purpose and neither do you Marc. Is this not clear? You think intelligent design of the universe is a bad idea, so fine, get comfortable with your meaninglessness. Really, the above blog is heaped with implications that we ought in some way be concerned about something (something related to your plight or your kid's plight): concerned about what? The "way?" "we?" "choose?" to "live?" I like your blog Marc and I like you and I care about mankind and our plight, all because I believe in intelligent design, and specifically God and Jesus Christ of the Old and New Testaments. I care about your kid's back Marc because of my belief in God and human beings being created in His image. I care about you because I love you and I love you because He loves you and He asked me to love others. Rule out God, and I don't see why I would care or why you would care. Chaos believers tend to adopt arbitrary quantities of human values and hold them important and even propose that others ought espouse that quantity of value, which does not follow from the premise of chaos. Do you believe chaos is the origin of all things Marc? Being human beings brings no particular gravity to our illness or injury from that of other living creatures. Cows, birds, dogs, fish and insects get injured and sick. Human life is of equal relevance to other life. Who cares about your kid except you? I certainly shouldn’t. And why do you care about him? He has no purpose and neither do you Marc. Is this not clear?
You think intelligent design of the universe is a bad idea, so fine, get comfortable with your meaninglessness.
Really, the above blog is heaped with implications that we ought in some way be concerned about something (something related to your plight or your kid’s plight): concerned about what? The “way?” “we?” “choose?” to “live?”

I like your blog Marc and I like you and I care about mankind and our plight, all because I believe in intelligent design, and specifically God and Jesus Christ of the Old and New Testaments.
I care about your kid’s back Marc because of my belief in God and human beings being created in His image. I care about you because I love you and I love you because He loves you and He asked me to love others.
Rule out God, and I don’t see why I would care or why you would care.
Chaos believers tend to adopt arbitrary quantities of human values and hold them important and even propose that others ought espouse that quantity of value, which does not follow from the premise of chaos.
Do you believe chaos is the origin of all things Marc?

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